I cannot understand why the L.A. Times and the Daily Pilot continue on their editorial pages to defend the Irvine 11 (Editorial: Irvine 11, D.A. both made mistakes, Daily Pilot, Oct. 2; "Editorial: Punishing the 'Irvine 11' again, Los Angeles Times, Sept. 24"). I have observed and been involved with what has been going on at UC Irvine for at least 10 years or more.
For too many years, these Muslim students have been causing disruptions, spewing their hate and making it difficult for serious students to get to classes and do what they have come there for — an education.
These are not just your run-of-the-mill college students. They are on a mission, have an agenda, and they finally got caught! Thank God the university was finally able to go after them, after they crossed over the line and it could be traced.
There are others who are trying to get an education, and they are the innocents caught up in this rhetoric and hate. This was not an isolated incident and they deserved to punished. Hopefully this will put an end to their type of behavior.
Law School Dean Erwin Chemerinsky (who disagreed with the decision to prosecute the Irvine 11) has not been at this campus very long, and he is very liberal, so I don't put much credence in to what he says on this issue.
Defendants censored a speaker
I have to totally disagree with your comment that the district attorney has more important things to do than to prosecute these hoodlums. If we could rely on the opinions of academics and newspaper editors for legal decisions, we wouldn't need judges and juries. Thank God we have someone like our current district attorney to explain the law to those who don't respect our laws and our culture.
Just think, if these people came to the Daily Pilot and prevented your free-speech rights to distribute your newspaper, what would your opinion be then?
"It's OK. Let UCI handle it?"
I don't think so.
Freedom of speech includes audience
I disagree with those who say the conviction of the Irvine 11 is in error. Please refer to quotes the district attorney released showing the Muslim Student Union's preplanning to deprive Oren of the right to deliver his speech.
I invite all to view the Irvine 11 videotape to hear the hate speech directed at the speaker. I invite critics to speak to those who have, over the years, tried to hear UCI talks with Israeli or Jewish content and experienced a group of students yell out, subverting the speaker. Speakers invite the yellers to ask questions during Q & A, or attempt to answer the yelled insults with information.
The yellers show no interest in dialogue, only to shout down the speaker. Nobody shows up to stop speakers who speak from the Muslim perspective.
Freedom of speech includes me when I attempt to inform myself by hearing, for example, a secretary of state. Freedom of speech includes the exchange of ideas in a university setting, especially both sides of a debate.